tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post1457074533014812290..comments2024-03-24T09:31:01.300+00:00Comments on Shiny Ginger Thoughts: The Empty ChairDaniel Blanchehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15525641726889468099noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post-40821260737919950582011-11-02T10:18:29.193+00:002011-11-02T10:18:29.193+00:00Beautifully said.Beautifully said.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post-13877309314837244402011-10-26T07:14:55.188+01:002011-10-26T07:14:55.188+01:00I liked your point about philosophical arguments f...I liked your point about philosophical arguments for God's existence not being that convincing. I really enjoy the sort of debates where Christian thinkers demolish atheist thinkers, but you're right, it is all a bit pointless ad sub-Christian. No one seriously loves Christ because they've been beaten in an argument; I know I didn't come to Him that way.David Matchamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02091447136570822767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post-63540144930249557232011-10-25T16:12:57.737+01:002011-10-25T16:12:57.737+01:00Amen Daniel!
Nice thoughts on humility and the Cr...Amen Daniel!<br /><br />Nice thoughts on humility and the Cross.<br /><br />Jesus is our Alpha and our Omega - not the 'intelligent designer'!<br /><br />SteveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post-52608778732027556672011-10-25T16:11:45.313+01:002011-10-25T16:11:45.313+01:00Thanks for your thoughts Daniel - a helpful nudge ...Thanks for your thoughts Daniel - a helpful nudge to the likes of me when tempted to "crow"... <br /><br />However, I would just say that, I've always been extremely thankful for and encouraged by my (limited) experience of Craig's writing, speaking and debating: he is unashamed of pointing people to the historical and testimonial evidence of Jesus and his resurrection, rather than relying ultimately on philosophical arguments for theism. <br /><br />Craig is very gifted and extremely sharp when it comes to philosophical arguments, but he knows that, at the end of the day, we each need to reckon with the historical evidence that Jesus is the risen Lord of all.<br /><br />I would love to see Dawkins engage with Craig on this, and believe that it would be a wonderful thing for the British public and media to hear. <br /><br />[For example - (watch from 3:20) http://youtu.be/x9NlRKJBKt4]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30436844.post-27250191758349533922011-10-25T15:31:51.719+01:002011-10-25T15:31:51.719+01:00Amen to that Daniel!
The crowing (which I also am...Amen to that Daniel!<br /><br />The crowing (which I also am tempted towards!) is deeply un-cruciform. And I'm sure it stems directly from your second point. Perhaps in two ways - First, the debating chamber could only establish or deny the existence of a god who crows and who therefore creates crowing worshippers.<br /><br />Second, if we imagine that the vindication of Christ is established in the debating chamber we will be deeply hurt (on behalf of Jesus, we tell ourselves) when we are not seen as intellectually credible. We therefore invest these events with far more significance than they deserve, and then throw all our weight behind our champion (Craig I mean).<br /><br />We feel like "Ha! Finally someone has put one over on Dawkins" which only betrays that the rest of the time we feel like Dawkins is winning. But winning what? On what grounds? And how?<br /><br />Your call to humility will only be taken up when we believe that Christ is already, self-evidently Lord - and on grounds far surer than the cosmological argument! It seems like if you're going to invest in debating, you're almost bound to invest in crowing.<br /><br />(That's not to say that Craig is a "crower". He strikes me as a loving and humble man. I'm talking about the whole enterprise not personalities).Glenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13444950640461687026noreply@blogger.com